It’s new, it’s exciting, more and more people are doing it. It’s nothing short of a new paradigm for artists, an entirely new business model for us.
It promises complete independence. No gallery cut. You get to choose what you paint.
What follows is just my take of course. But I’ve been doing this pretty successfully for a couple of years now, and this is what I’ve learned from the front lines.
All these questions came directly from attendees of an online webinar I ran recently about this. If they have these questions, I’m betting you do too.
I’ve divided them up into four sections:
- Audience
- Practical stuff: shipping, currency etc
- Business stuff
- Tech stuff
So here they are: 21 things you (probably) wish you already knew about auctioning your work online.
Do you need an audience?
Yes you do.
In fact, it’s the most important thing, the engine that makes the whole thing work.
Who is your audience?
Your audience is your email list.
Yes, you can build up followers on social media, but if someone has gone as far as giving you their email address, they have given you permission to contact them directly. That implies a closer relationship with a level of trust.
It’s a relationship that needs to be respected and treated with the same consideration you would bring to a real life relationship.
The following questions are all related to this most important aspect of running a business as an artist online.
1. How big does your audience need to be before you can run auctions?
It’s not possible to give a figure for this. But it’s probably less than you expect.
What really matters is not how many people you have on your list, but the quality of the relationship you have with them.
This idea is exemplified in a famous piece of Internet marketing wisdom from Kevin Kelly called 1000 true fans. I strongly recommend reading it, it won’t take long.
Don’t get too excited about the 1000. You might need more, you might need less. It depends on your goals. And I would substitute “true fans” for “meaningful connections”.
But the principle is basically sound.
Here’s my advice: Build real relationships one at a time. Help people in some way if you can. Follower counts on social media look good but you’ll struggle to build a business with them.
Of course, you do need a reasonable amount of people who have given you permission to contact them in order to sell work. How many will depend on whether you want just a side income or a full time living, and also on the quality of the relationships you have with them.
I can tell you that as I write this, I have a little over 9000 people on my email list. But you certainly don’t need that many people in order to make a start.
So don’t focus on the numbers, focus on helping people and building meaningful relationships, and you’ll get there much faster in my opinion.
2. How long did it take you to build your list?
Years. Maybe 10 years. But in the beginning, I wasn’t focused on building an audience, I was just trying to share useful stuff. Gradually over time, I’ve given more it time and effort, so you can certainly do it much more quickly than I have. I even went one entire year without posting anything on this site at all! (I was busy, ok!?)
If you want to turn full time, it’s really hard to give you a time frame. But for most online business just starting out, the average is three to five years. So factor that in.
This is not a quick thing, it takes time and commitment to build.
But the freedom, independence and meaningfulness that you gain make it very much worth the effort.
And you can get to a side income much quicker than that.
3. Do you consider your personal contacts part of your email list for business purposes?
No. People have to add themselves explicitly to your email list, give you permission to contact them. I would never send out emails to anyone who hadn’t signed up for my list.
But also yes, in that I don’t make any distinction between personal and business contacts.
My business is personal, all of me is out there on my website and on my social media accounts. So the lines are too blurred to be able to distinguish the two. That’s part of what makes the business I run so meaningful for me.
4. Do you ever send emails about your auctions to anyone who isn’t on your email list?
No, never. It is illegal to do that – and rude! I only ever send emails to people who have added themselves to my email list, and so have given me express permission to get in touch with them.
5. Could you use a pseudonym for this?
For me, I think this is all about meaningful connections, and that means bringing all of yourself to it. Using a pseudonym would feel deceptive to me.
How would you feel if you’d built up a relationship with someone only to find out that they were presenting a persona and that the name you knew them by wasn’t even their real name?
Exactly. Same here.
Practical stuff: shipping, currencies, etc.
6. Why do you sell in Dollars if you’re in the UK?
Because most of my audience is in the US. I want to make things easier for my audience, not for myself, so I price in a currency that most people won’t have to translate.
7. Why did you choose auctions to sell your work?
What I like about auctions is that the work finds its own price that way. Pricing anything is hard, and when it’s your own artwork it’s doubly so. This takes the decision away from you and lets people choose their own price, in a sense.
I like the democracy of it, that the price a work goes for depends on how many people connect with it, and how strong that connection is.
8. Have you found a difference in timing of when you put the auctions live?
Hah! I have tried to work that out, but every time I’ve come up with a theory it’s been immediately disproved. Honestly, I don’t think it makes much difference, and I don’t worry about it now.
9. How do you manage different currencies?
Paypal manages all that. When someone buys one of my paintings they are automatically emailed a link to pay by Paypal. Paypal charges for the currency conversion, but take it from me, running a business online on your own is time consuming and simple is usually best!
10. Have you ever tried selling larger pieces or does it only work for smaller ones?
Yes, some. And they’ve sold fine. The two best-known artists doing this, Julian Merrow-Smith and Duane Keyser, both sell larger works too. Duane Keyser, sometimes very large!
I don’t know what the ceiling is, or even if it’s better in the long run to sell only large, only small or a combination of both. The business model is very young and still developing. It’s best approached as an experiment π
11. How do you handle shipping?
I pay for it myself and send the paintings tracked and signed. If someone is going to trust me enough to buy a piece of mine for a few hundred dollars without ever meeting me, the least I can do pay for the shipping!
12. Do you run your auctions for 24 hours?
Usually mine run for two or three days. That’s a pretty arbitrary choice though, I haven’t tested it. To an extent it probably depends on the software you use for your auctions.
13. Do you have paintings back for varnishing?
No. It would just be too complicated for small pieces I think. But I keep meaning to do a video on it. (And I will soon…)
14. Do you frame your auction pieces?
No, they would be too expensive to buy and too expensive to send. Again, it might be worth doing for larger pieces, but for small ones I don’t think it is. Simple is best.
15. Do you paint on panels because of personal choice or because they ship easier?
It’s a compromise. Panels are dimensionally stable, and also light, so they are easier and cheaper to ship and much less likely to get damaged in the post. They will also last longer. I use Ampersand gessobord panels, they’re good quality and have a nice surface.
16. Do you use retouch varnish?
Never. Never never never. It can compromise the stability of the paint film. I only ever use oil based mediums now, Rublev’s oleogel and Dave Corcoran’s fumed silica medium.
Both of those are fine for oiling out. On balance, I prefer Dave’s because of the nice finish.
Business stuff
17. Is it possible to combine your own auctions with galley sales?
Yes it is. I have, but I think it would depend very much on the gallery. I was recently with a lovely gallery in Denmark run by friends that has sadly closed, but they were fine with me auctioning my pieces online.
I can imagine that some galleries wouldn’t like it at all, but I believe their business model is being slowly killed by the Internet anyway, at least at the level that we’re likely to be working.
18. Does your plugin handle sales tax and VAT?
No, you have to handle that yourself
Tech stuff
19. Can I use blogger/blogspot/Wix/FASO/the business level of wordpress.com to run auctions?
No. Sorry! It’s highly unlikely that any hosted platform like that will allow you to add auction functionality.
It’s also much better for SEO (making sure your site can be found by Google) to have your own site, on your own hosting account, with your own domain name.
And be careful, because there are two ways you can have a wordpress site: A hosted site on wordpress.com, and a site you run with wordpress on your own hosting account. You want the second one.
Yes, there is some tech to learn, but it’s really not rocket science.
20. OK, then how do I switch if I already have a domain name and site on my own hosting?
Most hosts have a very simple wordpress installation option they will do it for you and you just need to learn how to configure it and make it look nice. And that’s not that hard.
If you’re already with a hosting company, contact the help and ask them how to go about it.
21. How do you get good photos for your work?
This is a big question, but here’s a quick answer: Take your photos with a decent DSLR (NOT with your phone), take them in daylight and set the white balance first.
Then process them in Adobe Lightroom or Photoshop, and optimise them for the web. I’ll be going into excruciating detail on how to do this in Threads, but there are very good free resources out there telling you how to do it. Start with the YouTube search.
I hope you learned something from this! If you have any more questions about any of this, just leave me a comment andI’ll get back to you.
The biggest unasked question here is how do you grow your audience?
That, too, is a very big big question, too big to cover in one go. It’s also the most important question.
For a good overview, I’ve got a webinar coming up soon which I’ll be giving to people who are interested Threads, my new program for artists who want to make an income from their work online.
You can join these people and get notified about the webinar here.
Feel free to just join for the webinar, there’s no requirement to become a member of Threads (a Threadie?) to come along and learn some useful stuff.
once again, just leave me a comment here if you have any questions.
Best wishes and thanks for reading,
Paul
Thanks Paul
Do you have any advice re sites that turn images into products? This seems good in that I wouldnβt have to pack or ship and may still be able to sell the original as long as the buyer understood.
It sounds like a great idea, Karlene, and one I’ve considered myself, but I”m afraid I haven’t gone any further than that.
Have you come across Anterise Wood and the Savvy Painter podcast? She’s done something similar, mugs and stuff with art quotes on them that she sells on Etsy so might have some advice on how to do it well.
https://savvypainter.com/
Wow! Very interesting, Paul! Thank you for sharing. This won’t be happening with me, but it’s sure going to help a lot of artists out there! You are very generous to take the time to help people with this!! Thank you from all of us.
Thanks Bronwen π
Spot on Paul ha ha your marketing advice is excellent just like your painting advice, been following you for years now you deserve your success
Thanks Glynn π
Paul – I appreciate the generosity and thoughtfulness of your offerings. Always informative and engaging. Thanks so much.
You’re very welcome Ann π
My paintings take months to complete! They just do. It makes them expensive.
Paul, do you think there is a ceiling to the prices one can ask with online auctions ? Or maybe I just put in a reserve price and see what happens.
It’s really hard to say, because this way of doing things is so new. I believe Duane Keyser has sold some pieces for much higher prices. Regardless of how you’re going to approach it, the most important thing to be doing is building an audience. If you’re hoping to sell pieces for higher prices, then that might change how you go about building the audience.
I completely understand that position though. I’m a slow and methodical worker and when I try to work fast the results just aren’t as good and I feel rushed and uncomfortable. I’ve found that the prices my paintings reach have gradually improved over the last couple fo years, to the point where I can start to spend longer on them and it still be worth selling them.
This is one we’ll have to figure out as we go along π
Hi Paul
Thank you for your webinar and these subsequent follow-up questions and answers. My question is whether your Threads course will cover selling online from a website, apart from doing auctions? I’m more likely just to create a website than to put on auctions, I think.
Your generosity with your knowledge is much appreciated. I hope that you continue to do well from this approach.
Best wishes
Certainly yes, it’s not that different. Julian Merrow-Smith started out by selling pieces for a flat price. He had to install auction software when he got some press and became very popular, almost overnight. Suddenly there was more demand than supply.
You will still need to do everything else – build an audience, set up your site and email list, share on social media, contact your followers when you’ve produced something. That’s really at the heart of this approach. How you choose to sell the work is up to you.
Is it me or how could I build up a following, I have no painting experience, canβt offer anything for free so why would people want to be my audience, I think people have to have something to offer first, surely.
You may have more to offer than you think Steve. When I started out, I wasn’t painting particularly well and I didn’t have any knowledge to share. So I shared what I was doing to try to improve my skills. I shared my progress. I did that with as much openness and honesty as I could, not trying to make out that I was anything I wasn’t, and people responded to it.
What you have to share right now is your struggle, to improve your skills, your work and approach making some income from your art in the future. your story, in short.
That’s a story a lot of people can identify with.
Don’t think of it as marketing. Think of it as sharing your story.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge in this thread, Paul. Appreciate all the time you put into helping us.
…”And be careful, because there are two ways you can have a wordpress site: A hosted site on wordpress.com, and a site you run with wordpress on your own hosting account. You want the second one.”…
Thanks for posting up that, I did make the mistake of signing up with the first one so need to figure out how move to a “real” WP site and the extra flexibility.
I do wonder if I’ll lose my WP followers if I did transfer my site over, they look like they’re tied into wordpress.com which would be a shame as I think I’ve just broken through into 100+.
On the help files there’s something called the “Subscription Migration Tool” which sounds like it’ll do the trick but having experienced situations where things like this don’t work because of some daft reason I’m thinking I should make a blog post now with the an email sign-up form so I don’t lose too many. I wonder if that smacks of blatant marketing though… don’t want to put people off…
I don’t know to be honest Steve, but if the migration tool is simply a download of your subscribers as a CSV file (which I suspect it is) you should be fine.
Bear in mind though that some email providers require a double-opt in in order for someone to be added to your list, I think Mailchimp is one. So you can’t just import them. You can with Convertkit, but I think that’s probably a bigger hammer than you need right now π
Paul, I haven’t visited one of your auctions yet. One thing I seem to have missed is whether you establish a base price for the painting, that is what I think is called a reserve price or a minimum price.
Thanks.
Hi Martin, yes I do – usually $100. But if it’s a larger piece or it took me a lot longer than usual, sometimes more like $300.